[XCSSA] XCSSA Digest, Vol 27, Issue 3

Fri Feb 5 12:32:28 CST 2010

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And a kitten!

MAKE IT STOP...!!!
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: XCSSA attire (X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio)
   2. test non-anonymous (Tweeks)
   3. Re: test non-anonymous (Tom King)
   4. Re: test non-anonymous (steve kolars)
   5. Re: test non-anonymous (Tweeks)
   6. Re: test non-anonymous (Anton Olsen)
   7. Re: XCSSA attire (Anton Olsen)
   8. Re: test non-anonymous (Tim Soderstrom)
   9. Re: test non-anonymous (David Kowis)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:39:52 -0600
From: X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio <xcssa at xcssa.org>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] XCSSA attire
To: xcssa at xcssa.org
Message-ID: <201002042339.52917.tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"

On Wednesday 03 February 2010 08:25:12 am X-otic Computer Systems of San 
Antonio wrote:
[...]
> Adding that would avoid all sorts of problems, in my opinion and we would
> never have to have these silly discussions about it and can just
> concentrate on the cool stuff, like the awesome t-shirt that started this
> thread.

I'll look into this again.  We've upgraded mailman a couple of times since 
that policy was enacted.  It might be able to do that now.

Tweeks

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:49:03 -0600
From: Tweeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>
Subject: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: xcssa at xcssa.org
Message-ID: <201002042349.04044.tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"

Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)

Tweeks

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Message: 3
Date: Thu,  4 Feb 2010 23:51:54 -0600
From: Tom King <kingttx at tomslinux.homelinux.org>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: tweeks-junk2 at theweeks.org, X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio
	<xcssa at xcssa.org>
Message-ID: <20100204235154.69553lzost0vf12c at tomslinux.homelinux.org>
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Quoting Tweeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>:

> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)
>
> Tweeks
> _______________________________________________
> XCSSA mailing list
> XCSSA at xcssa.org
> http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa
>

Still shows the addy.
Tom King

"Concern for man and his fate must always form the chief interest of  
all technical endeavors. Never forget this in the midst of your  
diagrams and equations." --Albert Einstein

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 23:51:55 -0600
From: steve kolars <bkfuth at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: tweeks-junk2 at theweeks.org,	X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio
	<xcssa at xcssa.org>
Message-ID:
	<9b6ae23d1002042151x7cd78653kd55e8bfc4758551a at mail.gmail.com>
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looks ok

steve

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Tweeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org> wrote:

> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)
>
> Tweeks
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> XCSSA at xcssa.org
> http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:11:26 -0600
From: Tweeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: xcssa at xcssa.org
Message-ID: <201002050011.26493.tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org>
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On Thursday 04 February 2010 11:49:03 pm Tweeks wrote:
> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)

Hmm. well.. the desired effect from the list looks good.. However.. the 
address is not obfuscated from the actual email view (which means spammers 
can still join the list and harvest our addresses) The Web/Archive list 
rather simply replaces the "@" in our email addresses with " at ".  Not very 
advanced.  I imagine this will offer almost no real protection since mailman 
is one of the more popular mail list packages.

And since I really do not want to restrict archive access (archive_private) to 
members only (we WANT to be able to google for our own meetings, notes, 
threads, etc).. this means that spammers WILL be able to harvest addresses 
still by simply re-replacing " at " with "@".

Dragon..
You mentioned that you worked on mailman in another life.  Is there not a 
feature that will include the username in the reply email, maybe as:
	"Firstname Lastname" <xcssa at xcssa.org>

So that the name is preserved, but the replies are all sent to the list the 
the poster address is stripped?

Just curious..

I'll leave this on over night and get your feedback Dragon.  Feel free to hit 
me up off list.  BTW.. I'm not at work Friday.. I'm in training (if you want 
to email me directly at work).

L8ER all...

Tweeks

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:25:19 -0600
From: Anton Olsen <anton at antonolsen.com>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: tweeks-junk2 at theweeks.org,	X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio
	<xcssa at xcssa.org>
Message-ID:
	<39f4bea61002042225o5b371d06te792a1ef6df496d3 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Just keep the membership moderated and spammers can't join.

Besides, my addresses are all over the internet, so it doesn't do me
much good to try to hide them. I just let gmail do the spam filtering.
Out of the ~800 spam a day that I receive, only about one or two make
it to the inbox.

Anton

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Tweeks <tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 04 February 2010 11:49:03 pm Tweeks wrote:
>> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)
>
>
> Hmm. well.. the desired effect from the list looks good.. However.. the
> address is not obfuscated from the actual email view (which means spammers
> can still join the list and harvest our addresses) The Web/Archive list
> rather simply replaces the "@" in our email addresses with " at ". ?Not very
> advanced. ?I imagine this will offer almost no real protection since mailman
> is one of the more popular mail list packages.
>
> And since I really do not want to restrict archive access (archive_private) to
> members only (we WANT to be able to google for our own meetings, notes,
> threads, etc).. this means that spammers WILL be able to harvest addresses
> still by simply re-replacing " at " with "@".
>
> Dragon..
> You mentioned that you worked on mailman in another life. ?Is there not a
> feature that will include the username in the reply email, maybe as:
> ? ? ? ?"Firstname Lastname" <xcssa at xcssa.org>
>
> So that the name is preserved, but the replies are all sent to the list the
> the poster address is stripped?
>
> Just curious..
>
> I'll leave this on over night and get your feedback Dragon. ?Feel free to hit
> me up off list. ?BTW.. I'm not at work Friday.. I'm in training (if you want
> to email me directly at work).
>
> L8ER all...
>
> Tweeks
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 00:33:26 -0600
From: Anton Olsen <anton at antonolsen.com>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] XCSSA attire
To: xcssa at xcssa.org
Message-ID:
	<39f4bea61002042233g374dac76wf67939faf4e734f0 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Agreed, Gmail pretty much rocks the spam filters.

I've got anton at geekdad.com posted on the side bar of a wired blog that
gets 1M uniques a month and still have no real problems with spam.

Anton

On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:43 AM, X-otic Computer Systems of San
Antonio <xcssa at xcssa.org> wrote:
> While not totally practical for some of you, and possibly against best
> interest of security, Gmail has an excellent spam filter.? I've been using
> Google Apps for several years and have posted my email address in plaintext,
> and rarely if ever have I gotten spam.

-- 
http://antonolsen.com/
http://geekdad.com/

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 07:51:33 -0600
From: Tim Soderstrom <tim at moocowproductions.org>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: X-otic Computer Systems of San Antonio <xcssa at xcssa.org>
Message-ID:
	<F3052B44-4820-443C-9733-7E3174CFFFB7 at moocowproductions.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Either way, thanks for looking into this one, Tweeks! I, and I am sure others on this list, really appreciate it!

I'm trying to remember lists that seemed to do this so I find an example, I'll send it your way.

Tim

On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:11 AM, Tweeks wrote:

> On Thursday 04 February 2010 11:49:03 pm Tweeks wrote:
>> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)
> 
> 
> Hmm. well.. the desired effect from the list looks good.. However.. the 
> address is not obfuscated from the actual email view (which means spammers 
> can still join the list and harvest our addresses) The Web/Archive list 
> rather simply replaces the "@" in our email addresses with " at ".  Not very 
> advanced.  I imagine this will offer almost no real protection since mailman 
> is one of the more popular mail list packages.
> 
> And since I really do not want to restrict archive access (archive_private) to 
> members only (we WANT to be able to google for our own meetings, notes, 
> threads, etc).. this means that spammers WILL be able to harvest addresses 
> still by simply re-replacing " at " with "@".
> 
> Dragon..
> You mentioned that you worked on mailman in another life.  Is there not a 
> feature that will include the username in the reply email, maybe as:
> 	"Firstname Lastname" <xcssa at xcssa.org>
> 
> So that the name is preserved, but the replies are all sent to the list the 
> the poster address is stripped?
> 
> Just curious..
> 
> I'll leave this on over night and get your feedback Dragon.  Feel free to hit 
> me up off list.  BTW.. I'm not at work Friday.. I'm in training (if you want 
> to email me directly at work).
> 
> L8ER all...
> 
> Tweeks
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> XCSSA at xcssa.org
> http://xcssa.org/mailman/listinfo/xcssa
> 

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 11:22:47 -0600
From: David Kowis <dkowis at shlrm.org>
Subject: Re: [XCSSA] test non-anonymous
To: xcssa at xcssa.org
Message-ID: <4B6C53E7.9060500 at shlrm.org>
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On 2/4/2010 11:49 PM, Tweeks wrote:
> Ok.. Let's see how this looks.. :)
> 

OMG I KNOW YOR EMAIL.

/me signs you up for evil spam of spam -7

:P
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